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My sympathies by Shlong on 2001-09-11 08:37:02

Nothing can excuse the devestation seen today. My sorrow goes out the the victims and their families. This truely is the first day of a new world.

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Re: My sympathies by Kid. on 2001-09-11 12:10:14  |  Reply to this
  I can only second that thought. There were some truly terrible images projected across the world all throughout the afternoon.
Re: Re: My sympathies by Wash! on 2001-09-13 09:12:20  |  Reply to this
  Sickened by the 2 planes crashing in to the tower, I watched on, and will never forget the feeling of horror, shock and fear as my stomach churned in watching live the first tower begin to crumble like an avalanche. The sickness of this tradgedy is only just beginning to sink in. Its been a sad day. My heart can only go out to those with friends and family killed in the attack, and to those in America, and all over the world, who, like me, are finding it hard to come to terms that something like this can actually happen in our world today. Peace.
Re: My sympathies by tommie on 2001-09-11 16:14:51  |  Reply to this
  Thanks boys. Nothing bonds people like common enemies and common tragedies.
Re: Re: My sympathies by d.- on 2001-09-11 17:11:27  |  Reply to this
  to be honest with you, I've never felt so patriotic! And won't Bin Laden's head look pretty on a stick!
Re: My sympathies by Shlong on 2001-09-11 23:44:27  |  Reply to this
  Sickening scenes of jubillation in the streets of Jerusalem. This people really do obide to a far different culture.
Re: My sympathies by Tetra Grammaton on 2001-09-12 20:02:22  |  Reply to this
  Why not assume instead that those people you see laughing, treating the attack as great news, are just as human as you are? I mean, there are children there. Bus drivers. Listen to them. They're not lunatics frothing at the mouth. They sound just like anybody, except that what they're saying is something you almost can't believe. Then try thinking, What is it that would make someone say things like that? What makes a decent person talk about how fun it would be to, oh, see someone's head on a stick? We will never be able to be completely secure. If someone wants to kill people, and is willing to die to accomplish that, they're going to find a way. Always. The only way to stop this kind of horror from repeating is to make it so that people don't want to kill us so badly. That sounds absurd, maybe, I know. But honestly, it's the only way.
Re: My sympathies by tommie on 2001-09-13 05:53:17  |  Reply to this
  And let me add to the last remark that these events are a distraction from the business-as-usual situation in which we are killing each other.
Re: My sympathies by d.- on 2001-09-13 13:08:29  |  Reply to this
Re: Re: My sympathies by d.- on 2001-09-13 13:26:24  |  Reply to this
  Thanks for you clarification Tater... I was HOPING TO GOD that you weren't more concerned with concert-going, the local dive bar, your need for sleep etc. The bottom line is, that WHEN we get Bin Laden there most certainly WILL BE cheering, clapping and dancing in the streets, the video of which will be seen on Afghanistan television and THEY will be shocked by OUR 'victorious' behavoir! On the one hand, I love Ghandi's quote of: "An eye for an eye, and we will all be blind." This is true. But will you NEVER defend yourselves? Against anything?? Americans have been shaken out of their complacency and air of entitlement. Perhaps it is time, and too, perhaps we did have it coming...
Re: Re: Re: My sympathies by Tetra Grammaton on 2001-09-14 02:22:14  |  Reply to this
  I think the crucial thing is to hold both thoughts in mind. Of course we will defend ourselves. Of course the people who did this deserve to be slow-basted over an open fire. But farmers who have the misfortune to leave nearby the people who did this don't deserve to be blown to bits. And in the end, the only safety is in removing the motivation. Think of it like this: what's a better defense against civil unrest - thousands of police, or an economy where most people are able to make a living? That's not an argument against having *any* policemen - just that ultimately, no amount of policemen will save you. Same thing here, I think. It's incredibly unlikely and unrealistic, but in a way, one of the best things we could do would be to completely conqure Afghanistan and then rebuild it - spend the money to bring it into the 21st - hell, the 20th century. Like Europe after WWII. Or go to Israel and the Palestinians and say, "Look, we're through fucking around with you all. Here is the peace plan. Here's where you're going to live. These are your boundaries. We are going to enforce this. We're not asking you, we're telling you." Again - I know this is not going to happen. But if only.
Re: Re: Re: Re: My sympathies by buck on 2001-11-30 11:45:13  |  Reply to this
  I find your words compelling two and a half months later, when the Taliban has effectively fallen, and the US is putting forth a good faith effort to rebuild the Afghani government. We may have put the hurt on terrorism in Afghanistan, but we will not be able to impose our will on Israel and Palestine. And we need to stop trying to impose our will on other countries. If we keep pushing around weak countries we will ultimately pay the price. In reply to your defense of those cheering the WTC attack... I cannot identify as human anyone who would take joy in that immensity of suffering.