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Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by JohnnyG on 2004-02-08 00:34:04
Speaking with a recent graduate of a UK institution of higher learning regarding standards for instruction and graduation from college surprised me. The surprise arose from the difference in instruction and expectation of students. Indebting myself painfully and requiring all professors to account for my time and effort to achieve my documents of higher learning in a meaningful and valuable way were recognized by the Brits. Though instruction accountability seemed not as important to them (UK). Any thoughts? I have observed and recorded them on behalf of the few Europeans I investigated. Please comment on your experiences and observations. All in the name of science of course.
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|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by Kid on 2004-02-08 09:51:05 | Reply to this|
I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean (Is this part of the quiz?). That sentence beginning 'Indebting myself' and ending 'by the Brits' doesn't read to have an active verb, and as such doesn't scan as making any sense to me (Sorry, I've been reading a grammar book all afternoon).
If you're looking for an assessment of - for example - the amounts of work, and the amounts of contact time different students are expected to have...which is what I think then I can give you my experience.
Every student in the UK has different demands on them placed by a lot of different sources. Myself? I can speak for. My 3 year uni course worked like this
So my experience wasn't the best. I found working hard (ultimately) is its own reward, and that it doesn't matter how hard you work if you pick the wrong things to do. Also, if this wasn't the question you wanted answering you've had a long read for no reason, so sorry.
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by JohnnyG on 2004-02-08 12:29:55 | Reply to this|
Kid, I'm sure I meant well by this question. In viewing the time stamp of this entry and the tranquilized condition of my brain at the point of it's submission, I'm clearly pleased you find anything sensical and meaningful in it. The fact you derived some level of understanding from it and responded the way you did is satisfying. I mean never mind the third sentence in my paragraph Kid, just look at the first sentence, "surprisingly" weak. Yes, I suppose I was seeking some sort of assessment of general academic focus from which I might do a bit of comparing & contrasting between my American Uni experience and your experience in the UK. That definitely seems to be the mark I was aiming for last night. Also, it apperars, I was inquiring as to the bang you get for your Sterling lb. Accountability of professors to students and a student's recourse in the face of instructor ineptitude and bias,etc... You must understand I'm pathologically driven by just this sort of curiosity.
Kid, I must ask about the %ages. A "36% to pass the year"? I would like to know more please. Also contact hours per week? At UT, credit hours were used to gauge progress towards graduation. In a typical week for which I enrolled 15 credit hours in a semester I attended 3 MWF classes of 1 hour duration and 2 TTH classes of approx 1.5 to 2 hours each depending on professor stamina (not his real name).
I wager you type a consistent 80wpm+ Kid. Essay writing of the magnitude you describe in the "Third Year" paragraph would seem to adequately motivate your typing skills! Thank you Kid for your candor and brilliant dialogue. I'm through typing now cause my hand is cramping.
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by JohnnyG on 2004-02-08 20:47:20 | Reply to this|
Let me start from the beginning on this entry and explain why I'm typing. Here in Austin TX at the engineering building we employ many foreign nationals to construct the next generation of microcircuits. The human primates I associate with from Great Britain/Germany get together at places such as "The Continental Club" and "La Zona Rosa". We speak about our uni experiences and what the whole educational process from our country of origin did for our brains. The comments made by these co-workers and friends has been entered into my personal journal. I only seek more commentary from you fellow taters as to your experiences in higher education. Specifically you Brits. This entry is absolutely NOT about proving academic superiority between any country or institution. Ok. Ok then. Comment my friends.
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by Wash! on 2004-03-22 07:31:47 | Reply to this|
Year 4: Week 24. That's what i'm in now!! The last ever week, of my studies!! And as i have no Spanish classes today, and i'm going to miss my French Business class on Wednesday to avoid French (as I have a Spanish Oral Exam 30 mis after it would finish)... today is my penultimate day of being taught. Ever.
I've a 2hr lecture now. Then 1hr tomorrow morning. And that... is... it...!
And i'm gutted!
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by Lola on 2004-03-23 09:39:35 | Reply to this|
|University? Collague? Further education in England is, in my view, going down the pan. I'm 14, so what I may have to say might suddenly be pointless to you, but I'm English, and I spend 6 1/2 hours, 5 days a week, 59 weeks a year in a class room, having my brain filled with pointless dribble. (Most of it anyway). Less than 1/4 of the things we learn in school are actually worth while and are tings we actually -use-. Over 3/4 of the other garbage doesn't evern appear in tests, unless you wish to specalize in topics and area's of work. Most lessons, like german, seem pointless to me. english is one of the most spoken langues in the world, and german is only spoken in Austria and Germany? (I think! Or very few countries!) And I doubt I'll be going on a holiday there! We have as many German lessons as we do Maths! And instead of wasting my time with german, I could be doing extra maths, which in my eyes, is more important, and a subject I need extra practise with. School teaches to you to think their way, act how they want you to act, feel what your supposed to feel, and be who they want you to be. All kind of self expression is stamped down. It's a jail to keep kids off the streets and to cause crime. I'mt aking my opinions, and they forced kids to do things they don't -want- to do. Nothing has changed in the 50 years of my schoo being open, and nothing will do for another 50. We still haven't moved on. I rest my small case in a big world.|
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by Wash! on 2004-03-24 08:55:05 | Reply to this|
As a 14 year old, I would expect you to feel like that, and Iím sure I felt the same when I was that age. But having reached the end of the educational ladder, I can look back, and be grateful for what I learned. Only the other day for example, did Pythagoras come in useful, as did my knowledge of headlands, ions, and the fact that there are 52 weeks in a year. You canít put a price on a broad knowledge, and you have the choice to develop your personal interests at A Level. German may not be top of your priorities, but for some it will be, and you really canít put a price on knowledge of a foreign language either. Believe me, your missing without it! You may feel like one of a flock at the moment, and to be fair, you are. We all were, traipsing into school, all dressed the same, all learning the same shit. But thatís what these early teenage years are for. But when you finally get past that, say, after GCSE level, you can become who you actually are. Develop your own interests, and make your own decisions on your own future.
The better times are to come, Lola. Put up with this school shit, and get the best out of it. Itíll all be worth it in 4 years time, and for the rest of your life!
|Re: Educational standards: USA/Europe/College+ by JohnnyG on 2004-03-26 23:24:35 | Reply to this|
|Yah Wash, I second that thought and Kid makes good on his writings as well. When attending school in San Antonio I was educated amongst the offspring of Conquistadors and in travelling with these particular Hispanics to Mexico ( I am a European "mestizo" of UK & Nordic descent so I need help with matters south of the Texas border and those crazy Spaniards sure populated the hell out of these regions and the regions of Mexico/Central & South America for reasons that include gold and religion so I defer to them when on their turf and using their language) it was enjoyable having studied Espanol and being able to communicate with the Aztecs on firm ground knowing that my Spanish teacher instructed me well in regard to Mexican history. This same teacher tolerated my inability to roll my rrrrrrrrrrrr's and enunciate words such as "otra vez" without the lisp I thought was required. Bottom line here is that the study of language, any language, helps you understand a cultural perspective as well as proper enunciation. Sometimes speaking the language is less important then understanding the culture. At least that's what I keep telling myself as I continually butcher the Spanish language. Mach schnell on the Deutsche mit fraulein. Shit, you guys know I can't speak German either. However, it is important to know your educational weakness.|